Peertube is the new FLOSS (and decentralized) alternative to YTube

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Re: Peertube is the new FLOSS (and decentralized) alternative to YTube

Postby falkTX » Mon May 14, 2018 12:10 am

I deleted a few things from this topic, please dont go mad now.
Keep it cool and move on.

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Re: Peertube is the new FLOSS (and decentralized) alternative to YTube

Postby raboof » Thu May 17, 2018 4:06 pm

Luc wrote:At least YouTube never gave me this kind of crap:

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With which browser is that?

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Re: Peertube is the new FLOSS (and decentralized) alternative to YTube

Postby Luc » Thu May 17, 2018 6:51 pm

raboof wrote:With which browser is that?

Palemoon.

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Re: Peertube is the new FLOSS (and decentralized) alternative to YTube

Postby raboof » Thu May 17, 2018 7:23 pm

Luc wrote:
raboof wrote:With which browser is that?

Palemoon.

I had a quick look and there's good and bad news: the good news is they're not doing anything evil like user-agent checking. This error is shown when there is a JavaScript error before AngularJS could be initialized - which makes some sense. They even looked into this issue for a bit already.

The bad news is that more digging is needed to find out where exactly the problem is (or even whether it is a problem on the PeerTube or Palemoon side), and even if someone fixes it, you will not be able to use PeerTube in all its P2P glory because Palemoon chooses not to support WebRTC (in which case PeerTube should still work but fall back to non-P2P playback).

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Re: Peertube is the new FLOSS (and decentralized) alternative to YTube

Postby Lyberta » Fri May 18, 2018 5:05 am

raboof wrote:Palemoon chooses not to support WebRTC (in which case PeerTube should still work but fall back to non-P2P playback).


Nice, even more reasons to disable WebRTC.

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Re: Peertube is the new FLOSS (and decentralized) alternative to YTube

Postby falkTX » Fri May 18, 2018 7:03 am

Lyberta wrote:
raboof wrote:Palemoon chooses not to support WebRTC (in which case PeerTube should still work but fall back to non-P2P playback).


Nice, even more reasons to disable WebRTC.

Sorry, but I fail to see the reason here.
You're disabling a feature because someone else does? What am I missing...

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Re: Peertube is the new FLOSS (and decentralized) alternative to YTube

Postby Luc » Fri May 18, 2018 10:53 am

Thank you for the attention, Raboof. Very kind.

But you took us to that part of the conversation where someone tries to justify or explain the problem, which never sounds too helpful.

I understand that Peertube is a video hosting site, is that correct? Well, Youtube works for me. Vimeo works. Many tiny video hosting sites whose names I don't even care to look also work. Even a couple (I only tried a couple) of major league news corporation websites, with tons of Javascript, run as advertised. I can't seem to remember any site or page focused on video playback that wouldn't work.

When Peertube refuses to work and points to my browser as the culprit, I am very prone to find that unacceptable.

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Postby CrocoDuck » Fri May 18, 2018 8:20 pm

Luc wrote:But you took us to that part of the conversation where someone tries to justify or explain the problem, which never sounds too helpful.


Well, it seems to me that he pointed to very helpful information. Seems like in the future PeerTube will support Gopher, which should make it work for browsers not supporting WebRTC. I mean, nothing you can do right away, a part to wait for PeerTube to support more protocols, though.

Luc wrote:I understand that Peertube is a video hosting site, is that correct?


To my understanding, no. It is a P2P video streaming technology, which various video streaming sites can implement in a decentralized way. Not a video hosting site.
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Re: Peertube is the new FLOSS (and decentralized) alternative to YTube

Postby Lyberta » Sat May 19, 2018 12:00 pm

falkTX wrote:
Lyberta wrote:
raboof wrote:Palemoon chooses not to support WebRTC (in which case PeerTube should still work but fall back to non-P2P playback).


Nice, even more reasons to disable WebRTC.

Sorry, but I fail to see the reason here.
You're disabling a feature because someone else does? What am I missing...


WebRTC is a gaping security hole that exposes your IP address. And BitTorrent in browser is just an abomination. Web is already dangerous place with every site trying to fingerprint you and get your information. Therefore, it is imperative to disable most of Web features such as cross-site requests, cookies and JavaScript. BitTorrent in browser demands JavaScript and requests to arbitrary sites so it is impossible to use securely.

So if disabling WebRTC disables BitTorrent then it is twice as useful.

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Re: Peertube is the new FLOSS (and decentralized) alternative to YTube

Postby falkTX » Sat May 19, 2018 1:18 pm

WebRTC has its real-life uses.
I rather have WebRTC over proprietary crap needed for voice calls. (ie, skype, the new tool that replaces google hangouts and slack...)

A sane solution is to simply have it disabled by default, and ask the user when a website tries to initiate a WebRTC connection.
No need to completely remove support for it. Just make it optional, opt-in.
Same thing for DRM. You can have an open browser, but keep the option there for those that still cannot live without it.

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Re: Peertube is the new FLOSS (and decentralized) alternative to YTube

Postby Lyberta » Sun May 20, 2018 5:28 am

falkTX wrote:WebRTC has its real-life uses.
I rather have WebRTC over proprietary crap needed for voice calls. (ie, skype, the new tool that replaces google hangouts and slack...)


Why do you need calls in the browser? There's Mumble, Jitsi, Linphone, etc.

falkTX wrote:Same thing for DRM. You can have an open browser, but keep the option there for those that still cannot live without it.


Except the tickbox is usually checked by default. Most users don't even understand that they got trapped.

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Re: Peertube is the new FLOSS (and decentralized) alternative to YTube

Postby protozone » Sun Jun 03, 2018 1:10 am

xaccrocheur wrote:#Peertube beta has been launched last week, the source code and docs are here, there are already many open public instances, a lot of which are dedicated to music, like the one hosting mine:

https://exode.me/videos/watch/fed67262- ... a9085c71d7 (all my videos are here)

This is part of a large-scale "De-google-ify Internet" operation that has been going on for years, but is now somehow in full motion.

Mastodon has replaced Twitter
Diaspora has replaced Facebook (who ? :p)
Peertube will now replace Youtube. That's it, gone :)


Excellent infos! Thanks!
This dovetails nicely with the Linux Ethos.
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Re: Peertube is the new FLOSS (and decentralized) alternative to YTube

Postby xaccrocheur » Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:25 am

protozone wrote:Excellent infos! Thanks!
This dovetails nicely with the Linux Ethos.
Peace.


Thanks to you ; BTW today's the last day of the "pre 1.0" crowdfunding call, check it out :)


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