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Re: Some disturbing news

Postby 42low » Mon Jun 04, 2018 2:01 pm

Is this really that disturbing? Wasn't this war alway's there were sometimes some win a battle and sometimes lose one, but the war was never won and still going on and on and on and on....??

So many battles in the past, but it's still mostly the same. Even if ms would buy linux then someone else will develope Xunil OS or whatever.
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Re: Some disturbing news

Postby lucianodato » Mon Jun 04, 2018 2:24 pm

Well I guess I'll make the gitlab jump. Can't trust Microsoft, even with their current good behavior. :?
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Re: Some disturbing news

Postby gimmeapill » Mon Jun 04, 2018 2:31 pm

42low wrote:So many battles in the past, but it's still mostly the same. Even if ms would buy linux then someone else will develope Xunil OS or whatever.
Alternatives for github are already there.


Yeah, but it is very convenient from a user perspective to have all the interesting stuff in one place with a news feed (I guess developers didn't complain either). GitHub was becoming some kind of *standard* (curse word I know).

There's no doubt that the open source community knows how to deal with fragmentation, just this feels like going back 15y in the past...
I really hope something positive comes out of this so that we don't get burnt again...

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Re: Some disturbing news

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Re: Some disturbing news

Postby briandc » Mon Jun 04, 2018 6:33 pm

Account promptly deleted. :)

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Re: Some disturbing news

Postby CrocoDuck » Mon Jun 04, 2018 9:02 pm

briandc wrote:Account promptly deleted. :)

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That's quite a trend, seems like. Apparently GitLab got a 10X boost of repo/account creations. It would be pretty ironic if the Microsoft purchase would result in GitHub loosing a ton of users. I have read somewhere that 68% of GitHub users are very likely to migrate somewhere else.
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Re: Some disturbing news

Postby CrocoDuck » Mon Jun 04, 2018 9:03 pm

lucianodato wrote:Well I guess I'll make the gitlab jump. Can't trust Microsoft, even with their current good behavior. :?


-current-. That's the word.
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Re: Some disturbing news

Postby tramp » Tue Jun 05, 2018 1:07 pm

I've moved all my projects from github to gitlab now.
Now I need to rework all internal links to point to the sources in gitlab instead github.
After that I'll remove them from github.

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Re: Some disturbing news

Postby gimmeapill » Tue Jun 05, 2018 1:13 pm

tramp wrote:I've moved all my projects from github to gitlab now.
Now I need to rework all internal links to point to the sources in gitlab instead github.
After that I'll remove them from github.


Ok, please give a shout when you're done, as I'll have to update the AUR pkgbuilds accordingly.
Actually, it could maybe be useful for the community to list all the projects migrating in a dedicated thread, no?

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Re: Some disturbing news

Postby Luc » Tue Jun 05, 2018 1:28 pm

CrocoDuck wrote:It would be pretty ironic if the Microsoft purchase would result in GitHub loosing a ton of users. I have read somewhere that 68% of GitHub users are very likely to migrate somewhere else.

That isn't ironic. GitHub is naturally teeming with open source buffs who want nothing to do with Microsoft whatsoever. 68% sounds like a rather conservative estimate.

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Re: Some disturbing news

Postby CrocoDuck » Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:03 pm

Luc wrote:
CrocoDuck wrote:It would be pretty ironic if the Microsoft purchase would result in GitHub loosing a ton of users. I have read somewhere that 68% of GitHub users are very likely to migrate somewhere else.

That isn't ironic. GitHub is naturally teeming with open source buffs who want nothing to do with Microsoft whatsoever. 68% sounds like a rather conservative estimate.


I mean, ironic in regards to the bell and whistles of (corporate-marketing) optimism posted by the GitHub board.
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Re: Some disturbing news

Postby folderol » Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:37 pm

CrocoDuck wrote:
Luc wrote:
CrocoDuck wrote:It would be pretty ironic if the Microsoft purchase would result in GitHub loosing a ton of users. I have read somewhere that 68% of GitHub users are very likely to migrate somewhere else.

That isn't ironic. GitHub is naturally teeming with open source buffs who want nothing to do with Microsoft whatsoever. 68% sounds like a rather conservative estimate.


I mean, ironic in regards to the bell and whistles of (corporate-marketing) optimism posted by the GitHub board.

Hmmm. Looks rather like a noose tied round the avatar's neck :(

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Re: Some disturbing news

Postby gimmeapill » Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:59 pm

If I had just pocketted 7.5 B, I can assure you I would be smiling too ;-)

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Re: Some disturbing news

Postby gimmeapill » Wed Jun 06, 2018 7:21 am

An overview of the alternatives, including a side by side comparison with GH:
https://tutswiki.com/github-alternatives/

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Re: Some disturbing news

Postby CrocoDuck » Fri Jun 08, 2018 9:19 pm

Some good points here, I think:

https://www.linuxfoundation.org/blog/mi ... -reaction/

Just few things from the top of my slightly drunk head:

How there are still small pockets of deep mistrust of Microsoft in the open source community. I will own responsibility for some of that as I spent a good part of my career at the Linux Foundation poking fun at Microsoft (which, at times, prior management made way too easy). But times have changed and it’s time to recognize that we have all grown up – the industry, the open source community, even me.


Well, times at Microsoft will change as the board of directors strategy changes. OSS has become something very important in the industry today. Think about how none of the respected Machine Learning toolboxes are closed sourced. So, for now it makes sense for MS to be all supportive of Open Source. For now.

How folks seem to conflate “buying GitHub” the company and development platform with somehow buying “open source”: Two of the fastest growing projects in The Linux Foundation family, Kubernetes and Node.js, are developed on GitHub. However (and I triple checked this with our lawyers), Microsoft does not own Kubernetes or Node.js as a result of this transaction. Project copyright owners retain their ownership of their code.


100% true, but if at some arbitrary point in future MS wants to litigate something in court then it will either win or drive the legit owners bankrupt, even if losing, as it has infinite money to sustain any legal expenses for any prolonged period of time, even when it is blatant that they are in the wrong. Now: I cannot imagine this to happen on a large scale (not even MS has so infinite resources to do this on every project on GitHub) neither I am so naive to imagine other companies, even much smaller (like, well, GitHub itself), not to be able to do the same (this is how patents are used). But... (and here we go into the final point)

Final point:

After all these decades of MS actively trying to get rid of OSS, or limit it, or in any way attempting to crate a monopoly, it takes more than just a few "last years of good behaviour" to earn trust. Maybe the way they handle GitHub will be a good test.

Let's just see what happens: I will look at how MS does with GitHub with the sceptic mind of a scientist that has seen tons of contrary evidence, but, being a good scientist, still has an open mind about it.

I don't actually have any project on GitHub. So, as long as things keep on being normal, I will just keep on using it the way I do.
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